Updated Army Service Dress project

[dimsum]

Hey all, I know this is a bit off topic but it is related to service dress, what is the appropriate state of dress for military members at a wedding? 1D (Ceremonial with ribbons/undress)?

Depends on what part of the wedding you’re involved in - the ceremony itself or the reception?

 

[PrairieFella]

Depends on what part of the wedding you’re involved in - the ceremony itself or the reception?

Reception. Its been requested to wear uniforms.

 

[Blackadder1916]

Hey all, I know this is a bit off topic but it is related to service dress, what is the appropriate state of dress for military members at a wedding? 1D (Ceremonial with ribbons/undress)?

Whatever the bride (or the groom's mother**) wants? 1D, however, is not "service dress" but "patrols".

But, the books say suggest . . .

Dress instructions | Annex A Categories and orders of dress - Canada.ca

Canadian Armed Forces Dress Instructions

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CEREMONAL
(Accoutrements)	No. 1	Formal state and military ceremonies and parades, including: inspections, church parades and service funerals; investitures; guards of honour; in attendance on or as escorts to, Royal and vice-regal personages; exchanging ceremonial visits or official calls, if considered appropriate; as a representative of the CAF at formal civilian functions; formal military weddings; and other occasions as ordered.
(Medals only)	No. 1A	Formal and other significant occasions for which the wearing of complete ceremonial attire – No. 1 or 1B orders – is not deemed necessary or appropriate; ie., no swords, ceremonial belts, bayonets, etc.: investitures; levees; ceremonial parades; ceremonial occasions, when attending as a spectator; on Remembrance Days in messes; formal military weddings; and other occasions as ordered.
(Full Dress)	No. 1B	As for No. 1 or 1A orders of dress. Worn by authorized units only (see Chapter 6).
(Undress)	No. 1C	As for No. 1 or 1A orders of dress. Optional undress order, worn when permitted by authorized units (see Chapter 6).
(Undress)	No. 1D	As for No. 1C order of dress with undress ribbons. For wear on less formal occasions at which the wearing of orders, decorations and medals would be considered inappropriate (see Chapter 6).
MESS DRESS
(Mess Standard)	No. 2	Formal evening functions such as: mess dinners; other formal mess functions; and service and civilian occasions where formal attire would be deemed appropriate, for example, formal receptions, dinners and weddings which occur in the evening.
(Mess White)	No. 2A	As for No. 2 Order during hot weather, or as ordered.
(Mess Service)	No. 2B	As for No. 2 Order, or as ordered.

Or Army specific . . .

Canadian Army Dress Instructions - Canada.ca

CA Dress and Ceremonial

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Serial	Activity or Event	Attendees	Order of Dress	Dress Description and Remarks
a.	Military Wedding	Participants	No. 1C	Ceremonial Day Dress or Non-Ceremonial Day Dress Officiating chaplain may wear the same Order of Dress as the groom. No. 1 or No. 1B is acceptable. The wear of No. 2 and No. 2A should be restricted to wedding receptions and dinners. The wearing of uniform is not compulsory at a private wedding.
		Guests	No 1C or 1D	Ceremonial Day Dress or Non-Ceremonial Day Dress No. 1D worn with leather belts. No. 1B is acceptable

** The last time I attended a "military wedding" in uniform was many years ago. The groom was an officer in my unit (Reserves) and he wanted to go the whole hog so he had blue patrols tailored to wear for the occasion. He also made a nod to his heritage (he was Sikh), so he started growing a beard a few months before the occasion and got an issued turban. His best man (not a Sikh) requested permission to grow a beard (this was long before BEARDFORGEN) and to wear a turban in uniform for the ceremony. I gave him permission. Several CF officers (myself included) were guests and sort of participants (we formed a sort of guard, with swords, for the groom). Dress of the day for the ceremony was No 1s (with swords) and for the reception later in the evening it was mess dress. On the day of the wedding, the groom finally caved in to his mother's wish that he wear traditional Sikh garb for the ceremony; he wore his patrols to the reception.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Hey all, I know this is a bit off topic but it is related to service dress, what is the appropriate state of dress for military members at a wedding? 1D (Ceremonial with ribbons/undress)?

Are the bride or groom military?

 

[Furniture]

No. 1D would definitely work.

A key thing to remember is that all of you should be in the same order of dress... It always looks a bit like a clown show when someone shows up in medals to a ribbons event.

 

[daftandbarmy]

No. 1D would definitely work.

A key thing to remember is that all of you should be in the same order of dress... It always looks a bit like a clown show when someone shows up in medals to a ribbons event.

And don't upstage the bride...

 

[dimsum]

Reception. Its been requested to wear uniforms.

Ask the military member what they would like. I’ve been in a few receptions in Mess Dress. But if you have a ceremonial part, then whatever the others are wearing.

 

[Furniture]

Ask the military member what they would like. I’ve been in a few receptions in Mess Dress. But if you have a ceremonial part, then whatever the others are wearing.

My understanding is that 1D replaces 2B when members own that order of dress.

 

[Castus]

I bring glad tidings of comfort and joy. I am told that the project is at the 98% approval stage, and that all is on track. Timelines were very very vague - something like the next couple of years. The individual talking to me mentioned that unlike with previous iterations of uniforms, this one will be rolled out to specific corps. He mentioned Lord Strathcona's Horse as well as the RCEME corps for the first. I'd be interested to see how that occurs. I was also told that the Service Cap is still a go - not sure why they weren't present (as you will soon see).

The fabric is an olive coloured twill, 60% Wool / 30% PTT (which is a synthetic) / 10% Polyester. It felt very markedly softer and had a mechnical stretch to it (IE not a spandex type). Allegedly it is significantly lighter as well, which I can believe. The uniforms looked excellent.

The main four tunic buttons are significantly bigger than those current, but I am sure that because the uniform really is so much nicer looking that people will accept the need to do a new purchase of accoutrements. Whilst both uniforms have the waist belts, officers have patch style pockets with buttons below the belt, and other ranks / NCMs have simple pockets with no buttons.

Pictures to follow once I reduce their resolution for the site.

 

[PrairieFella]

I bring glad tidings of comfort and joy. I am told that the project is at the 98% approval stage, and that all is on track. Timelines were very very vague - something like the next couple of years. The individual talking to me mentioned that unlike with previous iterations of uniforms, this one will be rolled out to specific corps. He mentioned Lord Strathcona's Horse as well as the RCEME corps for the first. I'd be interested to see how that occurs. I was also told that the Service Cap is still a go - not sure why they weren't present (as you will soon see).

The fabric is an olive coloured twill, 60% Wool / 30% PTT (which is a synthetic) / 10% Polyester. It felt very markedly softer and had a mechnical stretch to it (IE not a spandex type). Allegedly it is significantly lighter as well, which I can believe. The uniforms looked excellent.

The main four tunic buttons are significantly bigger than those current, but I am sure that because the uniform really is so much nicer looking that people will accept the need to do a new purchase of accoutrements. Whilst both uniforms have the waist belts, officers have patch style pockets with buttons below the belt, and other ranks / NCMs have simple pockets with no buttons.

Pictures to follow once I reduce their resolution for the site.

Thank you for the update! You mention roll out by corps and mentioned the strats, to clarify does that mean the whole RCAC (the Strats corps) is being rolled out at once or just the Strathconas?

Can't wait to get a closer look. What is the footwear situation?

 

[Castus]

Thank you for the update! You mention roll out by corps and mentioned the strats, to clarify does that mean the whole RCAC (the Strats corps) is being rolled out at once or just the Strathconas?

Can't wait to get a closer look. What is the footwear situation?

I mentioned the Strathcona's and RCEME because that's what I was directly told. I assume it's being piecemealed, some by regiment, some by Corps. Not sure about any more details. As for shoes, from what I saw it looked like no change.

 

[dapaterson]

Strathconas first makes sense, lets them test the material under real world conditions for gravy resistance.

 

[PrairieFella]

Strathconas first makes sense, lets them test the material under real world conditions for gravy resistance.

What better unit to test uniform stretchiness? Goes hand in hand with gravy beading tests.

 

[PrairieFella]

Pictures to follow once I reduce their resolution for the site.

By the way, for images online it's often easier to post them in a gallery on Imgur and post the link in the forum. You can hide the pictures so they can't be seen without the link and they've got pretty much unlimited resolution (within reason).

 

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Was there any indication around the display about L1/L2/trade/rank badges?